Oneness Vs. Trinity Debate (Part One)

A wonderful debate of the Oneness Apostolic doctrine and the doctrine of the Trinity, with the Rev. Dr. David Bernard of New Life United Pentecostal Church International, in Austin Texas, and Rev. Gene Cook of ,  Covenant Baptist Church, in San Diego, California. The debate was hosted by Bishop Joel Trout of Los Angeles, California.  It is not my desire to influence anyone on who wins or loses,  just sit back and let the Word feed you and give you true revelation.

 

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Published on June 17, 2009 at 3:02 pm  Comments (14)  

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  1. Brother Bernard, Does the word say not to cast your pearls before swine????

    Acts 2:38

    Debbie Gibson

    • I agree we must not cast our pearls before swine, but this teachings must also be taught with balance. Because if we don’t first obey Acts 1:8 and be his witness, then they will never know Acts 2:38.

      Now if they reject it over and over again….then move on.

  2. I am a former UPC believer. Thank you Rev. Gene Cook for truth!

    • Of course I disagree, but thank you for your comments and visiting the site…God bless you.

      • Trinity doctrine is not the Bible doctrine, because they believe as the Father+Son+Holy Spirit= God(unknown name of God)… So we can say unknown God’s name..

  3. Rev Benard is absolutely full of fact and anointing. I find no complete biblical sense of understanding in Mr Cooks philosophy. To God be the glory for Oneness. I’m a proud Apostolic in which truth is reveled through the One God named Jesus Christ.

  4. You do understand, as a Oneness Apostolic, that your modern belief system didn’t come about until the camp around 1914 when R. E. McAlister had a sudden realization that if the apostles in Acts baptized in Jesus’ name, and that Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that all those names WERE Jesus. Thus, any mention of Father, Son or Holy Ghost actually referred to Jesus.

    Following his logic, this makes God seem schizophrenic when he prays to himself, says he cannot send himself (Holy Spirit) until He (Jesus) returns to the Father (also Himself).

    • Sir, with all respect, this doctrine that we preached concerning Oneness of God and the baptism in Jesus was the “only” doctrine preached until about AD 236, at the Council of Nieca…..even if you were able to see it for yourself, the Books at the Vatican in Rome shows that they baptized in Jesus Name until then. There is a book by Dr. Bernard that I would that I wish you would read called the ONENESS OF GOD that shows that this doctrine has been taught and preached down threw history by many teacher and theologians.

      The teaching of Howard Goss, G.T. Haywood, and R.E. McAlister, was just a modern revelation that God gave these men, doing an outpouring of the Holy Ghost doing that time. As far as schizophrenic….God in three person? Give me a break. Three personalities…..i mean if that isn’t schizophrenic., then what is.

      As i said in the blog, i will not give my opinion on who is right and wrong, that is up to you the readers and hears of this debate, but I would ask that you come with correct facts before making such a statement. God bless you in Jesus name

  5. Both the teaching of Oneness and Trinitarian theology can be found, defended and debunked, sometimes both side will use the same verses to make their points.

    I do think Christians need to be extremely cautious when people such as McAlister get an extra-biblical “revelation”. Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah’s Witness and Harold Camping also claim to have new revelations from God, as did William Branham. The only reason people choose to believe or disbelieve these “prophets” is the revelation comes from a source in our own belief systems. Otherwise, we actively argue against their obviously false claims.

    One problem people have in arguing the trinitarian point of view is that they have no clear way to describe what it is because there is nothing like it in our human experience. The 2 best descriptions I have heard are:

    1. The trinity of God is like the concept of time. Time is one thing, but is comprised of the past, the present and the future. You cannot separate the three elements, but they still comprise one thing. We can see a watch, which represents time, like Jesus’ human form was the physical representation of God to man.

    2. God is like space. Height, width and depth are the 3 dimensions that make up space. While they are 3 aspects, they cannot be separated.

    I agree wholeheartedly with you that God shows himself to be one entity, a spirit, throughout the Bible, yet there are many instances in which he interacts with himself such as in Luke 1:35 – And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    I am not sure how Oneness believers interpret verses such as this, but I see it as what the words literally say. That the Father AND the Holy Spirit worked together.

    I too don’t know that there is a right or wrong way in interpretation, but as Christians, we are all brothers in Christ and are all working toward the same goal: getting ourselves and as many others into heaven as possible.

    Thanks for your earlier response.

    • Sir! Uhmmmm, I never said that I didn’t know, I said I wasn’t giving my opinion, I just am letting the debate speak on this one, and let one make their own choice. But as for me, no doubt……

      But thank you so much for your thoughts, done in respect.

  6. Trinity means person in one! Impossible and crazy thing… And Trinity has no name of God… Because Father+Son+Holy Spirit=God( there is no name of God)… God means only Title.. God must have name…

    Oneness means only One God, One name,,, Father+Son+Holy spirit = JESUS(One God’s real name)…

  7. When Jesus said to baptize in the name of the father, son, and the Holy Spirit, He was talking to His disciples which understood that those are His titles. When Peter preached on the day of Pentecost he told the people what to do in order to be saved. He said to repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Now Peter when Peter told the people what to do, don’t you think that the rest of the Apostles would have said this is wrong? You have to have a name to call upon and that name is Jesus, the name that has all power in it!

    • Peter was talking to the Jews

      • If we go with your beliefs, then all of the gospels we can ignore, as the audience was mainly the Jews. But in the books of Acts, in the beginning of the New Testament Church, which Paul said that we are not Jew, Greek, or Gentile. But lastly, again, if Peter commanded was only for the Jews, then who was Peter talking to in the 10th Chapter of Acts, 44-48 in the House of Cornelius, where he commanded them to be baptize in the Name of Jesus……he was talking to GENTILES. The Word of God does not change, as everyone, means everyone. .

        Thank you so much for your input…..God bless you.


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